Purpose
The purpose of this article is to explain the One Another Church.
This is not meaning a strange new kind of church. Rather, the idea
is to notice the biblical idea that church is supposed to be heavily
influenced by showing our love for God as we love one another (1 John).
If we mainly "go to church" and don't know people (partly because of
the format of traditional church),
then we are doing religion, but not following the one another idea
that is emphasized in God's Word. Church for a Christian should be
guided by our study of the Bible and how Jesus used the first apostles
in establishing the NT church. We should look for their way rather
than our way. Their way was heavily oriented on keeping Jesus as the
senior pastor (ESV: Chief Shepherd) and encouraging relational one-another
aspects in the community. The community sometimes gathered as a whole
church at the city/town level. Even if they met in homes, they always
thought of themselves as a church at the city/town level, not at the
home church assembly level. The community regularly gathered in homes
to celebrate the Lord's Supper (as a full meal). In these home meetings,
Christians lived out the one-another relationships in a way that could
never be done with the large assembly meetings. The apostles
learned to follow Jesus in humility when he said, "You must not be called
Rabbi (Teacher);
for One is your Teacher, and you are all [equally] bothers."
(Amplified)(Matthew 23:8) This is seen in Paul's instructions
for allowing other men to speak in 1 Corinthins 14.
NOTE: Under construction: There is a lot of overlap with othertrend.
Introduction
The main criticism many people have about using 1 Corinthians 14 is that it seems to involve special revelation. We do not believe God is sending new revelations to Christians as he did in the early church. We think the purpose has been fulfulled (1 Cor 14:21). So when you read 1 Corinthians 14, we believe one must read it without the idea of special revelations. But according to D. A. Carson, the word prophesy is very broad. So one can and should read 1 Corinthians 14 without the narrow definition of prediction prophecy. 1 Corinthians 14 should be read for today without assuming tongues and special revelations. If you have ever read the chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 and have removed the parts about tongues and revelations (things we do not think apply to the church today), you might notice what we are talking about.
Men are supposed to speak up for the purpose of encouragement. There is a "dynamic interplay, sharing, give and take"... a more relational style of church service than we are used to experiencing. We will call this the "Other Trend". This term is taken from a sentence in D. A. Carson's "Showing the Spirit". On page 136 (1987), he says,
"So far as our practices today are concerned, this means we should give more thought to developing in our contexts both trends found in biblical evidence."
What is he talking about?
Well, we came to these ideas long before reading this in D. A. Carson's famous book on 1 Corinthians 12-14. He just says it in a very short clear way and gives a good suggestion at the end. He begins a two-page section like this:
Let Schweizer set the stage: "It is completely foreign to the New Testament," he writes, "to split the Christian community into one speaker and a silent body of listeners."66 The same point has been made by many more popular writers:67 chapter 14 reflects a church service where there is a dynamic interplay, sharing, give and take-- not detailed liturgy climaxed by lengthy exposition delivered by one properly recognized authority.
We omit the rest of the page and following page, but we appreciate the section and recommend you read up on it or contact us for more information about this if you cannot get access to the book.
He ends with the helpful assessment that we are agreeable to:
"So far as our practices today are concerned, this means we should give more thought to developing in our contexts both trends found in biblical evidence." Page 136 - D.A. Carson - "Showing the Spirit" - Baker Books - 1987
The Complementarian Other Trend View
We will refer to the usual (common) church way as "traditional", but we are not trying to demean it by this term. It is just helpful to use terms. We will sometimes refer to "The Other Trend" as the "Relational" church, but that is not trying to make too much of the term since there is much relational activity in a traditional church meeting. We may need a separate article to develop a justification for terminology! But on to the main point... we want to clarify what we believe about our complementarian "Other Trend" views.We agree with NTRF (or perhaps more so) that the Bible presents a very complementarian view of man/women roles in the church, particularly in the "worship service". Just like in the traditional church, there is a debate about complementarian or egalitarian views, so the same is true in the "other trend" perspective. We hold to the simple plain reading of the Bible that when it says the man should speak and the women should remain silent (at times), it means what it says. 2.complementarian
Many egalitarian-oriented Christians will immediately react to this with disgust. But the same is true of our reaction. We react with disgust when we hear the egalitarian view being advanced because we think it is compromising God's Word and distorting the truth. But we have to calm down a little bit and be reminded that we do have friends who think differently than us, and who are also solid believers in Jesus. We believe the differences are opportunities to learn how to discuss and debate and when to hold off from those activities, to maintain the peace. Every discussion with a true Christian should remain with a desire to maintain a peaceful dialog. True Christians who cannot discuss issues are not showing the love of 1 Corinthians 13, John 1, etc. It is good to express your views and know why you believe what you believe. Don't just follow others. Study the Bible and find your support in the Bible. We should all be becoming experts in the Bible. Christians who read the Bible as their main text will also have to read other books to be relevant to the struggles and issues of our times. So we do read books... we do sometimes read books (or skim books) that others like. But we should mainly be looking for good books that we find to be faithful interpreters of the Bible. We should test all things... that means finding good interpreters and this will include finding weak points of the good interpreters.
So in summary, we may refer to some books within this "other trend", like Jon Zens, or "Robert Banks", but that does not mean we support their egalitarian views. No, we see a complementarian "other trend" as a good biblical interpretation. We would not need to use these terms, except we find all kinds of strange differences in how our modern interpretations deal with the Bible. If we just read our Bible, we cannot hide the fact that we have been "taught" every week in our churches for many years. We filter everything we read in our Bible. We don't just read the Bible in a clean slate context. Everything we read in the Bible gets filtered by our pre-conceived ideas. A new Christian learns the way. The pastors teach the way. It may be a while until you discover these ideas. You may have to read the bible for years and meditate for years to see how we have changed. It may be in plain English, but it can be hidden by the traditions we have developed over the years. We are not implying this kind of distortion among traditionalists, but by way of analogy, a Catholic person will naturally think their way is right. A Mormon will think their way is right. It is only when you ask questions and read the Bible with thoughtful discussion and dialog that one may notice blind spots. It is only when you hear the testing responses (as in 1 Cor 14 describes), that you might notice some spots where you might be following traditions that have been added. There are some ways that our modern church has been influenced by factors outside of the teaching of the Apostles. The natural question at this point is to discover if any of these traditions are “traditions of man” (as the Bible says) or if they are following the traditions of the Apostles (something we are encouraged to follow).
The Bible is our standard, but we have to interpret it carefully.
What Other Books Explain The Other Trend View?
There are many books related to the "Other Trend". Some are supportive of our complementarian "other trend" views. We could add other words too... Like "reformed-complementarian-other-trend"... but that starts to get ridiculous. So we shorten it to the "other trend" since that is a confusion. But yes, we are also "reformed" in the sense that we believe God is sovereign. Yes, we believe in compatibilism, but that is getting off-topic. Our focus here is to show something important but not important like the Gospel. How the church orders itself and how worship services go is important just like many important things in life that affect you, but don't define you. You are a Christian because you believe in the Gospel. But as a Christian, you may have many different views.
So the "other trend", when rightly understood, is just trying to follow the
Bible when it encourages a one-another-oriented church. There are many
who write about the "other trend", and we will list some books, but that
does not mean we endorse all the views of these writers. We are only
saying that we see something in God's Word that makes us want to follow
what we see. Before and after listing some more passionate writers (who
may be extreme or "off" in some ways), we first want to begin with someone
who succintly tries to moderate the trends (like D. A. Carson does).
Ultimately, we want to see the Bible and the apostles writing gain more
influence, not win an argument about church style. Stephen Crosby seems
to agree with D. A. Carson, and seems to understand a peaceful blend of
the traditional and the other trend.
youtube.com/StephenCrosby-ekklesia-I
youtube.com/part-II
youtube.com/part-III
youtube.com/part-IV
But now, since we are on the topic of the "other trend", and since there are more passionate writers, we list some of them now.
Some of these books are more provocative than we are comfortable with. Some of these books are very egalitarian. We are more comfortable with the tone in D. A. Carson's Showing the Spirit. We are very comfortable with NTRF's teaching, though we may have a few differences. We are just saying there are quite a few books (we have just mentioned a few) and more that keep coming off the presses.
If the Bible is true and reveals something special in the authentic one another oriented way (As D.A. Carson describes), then there will be a stream of people reacting to the traditional church. You will only be able to stop this stream of ideas by controlling the platform and trying to ignore these ideas.
How to Proceed With Our Different Views?
But D. A. Carson does offer wisdom and a way forward that is more open. He suggests that we accept both trends. In our current model, there is a quiet silencing of the other trend. There is a constant re-affirming of the traditional model. The topic is not explored except by those rare readers who do read these "popular writers". In the church I attend, there seems to be a complete ignorance and a suspicion of these "hidden books." One older man who left our church some years ago spoke about reading "Pagan Christianity", but that is the only person I recall. (And this is not a great book in our opinion) His awareness of these ideas was only pricked by this book, but he had not studied the topic well (in our opinion). This book has its distortions (It overstates many ideas). It is better to read more carefully and more extensively. I have heard that D. A. Carson reads quite a few books on a topic before he writes on a topic (like a hundred or so). The average Christian man, myself included, cannot cover that much material while holding a job. Nor should he. But it is the anti-study squelching of learning and reading that we are concerned about. If a top scholar reads and discusses like this... he is not acting strange. He is doing what every man should be doing. We live in an age of pretty good information that can help to counter the flood of distortions. But like the "hidden treasure" in Matthew 13:44, the "treasure" comes to us through biblical words that are massively filtered and interpreted by the teachers in our modern days.
We encourage each man to read their Bible and study it well. We encourage each man to read other good books related to the Bible to help counter the distortions of our modern age. We encourage each man to discuss any ideas that seem important with other godly men. We encourage each woman to get together with other godly women and let the older women teach the younger women. We encourage women to respect the way the Bible calls women to behave in how they learn the truth in the Bible. We encourage men to respect the Apostles and follow not only their teaching but also their traditions. 1.traditions
The bottom line is that Christians have different views about how the church should operate. We encourage everyone to study the topic, find the best books, find the best ideas, discuss these ideas and always put God's Word as our guide for how we live.
In summary, we like the tone and peaceful way that Stephen Crosby
explains how the traditional church and the other trend can work
together. He seems to agree with D. A. Carson and says it in more
words, but still very short and to the point. We think there is
wisdom in trying to peacefully blend the traditional and the other
trend.
youtube.com/StephenCrosby-ekklesia-I
youtube.com/part-II
youtube.com/part-III
youtube.com/part-IV
FOOTNOTES
1.traditions
NTRF says this well,
1 Corinthians 11–14 constitutes a four-chapter section on church practice. In this passage, Paul revealed his attitude about following his ecclesiological traditions: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you" (1Co 11:2). He praised the church at Corinth for holding to his traditions.
2.complementarian
On the topic of complementarian vs egalitarian we actually would disagree with some of our favorite Bible scholar friends like D.A. Carson and Douglass Moo in favor of John MacArthur (and others) who hold to the plain reading of scripture (in a complementarian way of understanding).
There is much more we could add to this footnote. But to keep it simple we assume you are familiar with the book by John Piper and Wayne Grudem on the topic. We also assume you can compare the Study Bible notes in John MacArthur's Study Bible and compare it with the egalitarian ESV Study Bible.
We may add more to this later... but this is really a separate topic, so we should really link to another topic article.
3.earlychurch
This footnote could be another article since the topic of the early church ways is a huge research area. For now we just give a few links and we will add to this as we have time.
This is one of our favorite trustworthy websites and ministries for many years about "the other trend" (Not that he would call it that). We know Steve Atkerson, having met him a few times, stayed at his home, read his books/articles, followed him since 1998, etc.
Google search on March 2024 using these key wordsh:
"the early church one another interactive testing 1 Cor 14"
The link below has an interesting discussion full of divergent thinking on the 1 Cor 14 interactive meeting topic from 2008. This is a good demonstration of traditional vs biblical thinking (less biblical/traditional vs more biblical thinking). It seems the one guy wants to keep "the traditions of man/church" alive, no matter what the Bible is obviously saying. The one guy is asking good questions and is closer to the truth. The other guy is hung up on traditions and how the church has become better over time (The modern pastoral role, sermons, etc). The "Senior" guy is the one who is holding on to traditions, with an interpretive filter technique that nullifies a lot of what Scripture is saying. The "Freshman" guy is listening more closely to scripture and is asking some good questions. Unfortunately, we still see him as not going far enough in following scripture. He still seems to be blinded by his interpretation of church and modern traditions. The discussion is good, and we would enjoy digging into the details of the discussion more, but that would have to be another article.
4.oneanother
The early church focused on one another oriented way of doing church. Here are some references.
youtube.com/NTRF-Participation NTRF.org
youtube.com/TomWadsworth-#1 (#1 has issues) session-#2 (#2 and the rest are ok)
youtube.com/JonZens-ToPreachers
5.lordssupper
NTRF videos and articles on the Lord's Supper, by Stephen Atkerson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NBLHk_a9LY
ntrf.org/the-lords-supper-a-fellowship-meal/
https://ntrf.org/helpful-hints-for-hosting-the-lords-supper/
6.fullmeal
The Lord's Supper in the early church was celebrated as a full meal.
"the Corinthians were evidently celebrating their version of the Lord's Supper in the context of a full meal (full at least, for some of the members but not for all of them)."
Ciampa and Rosner, page 552, PNTC, The First Letter to the Corinthians,
Roy E. Ciampa and Brian S. Rosner, Copyright 2010, Eerdmans
Spiros Zodhiates Th.D., First Corinthians 11, Is Conformity to Customs Necessary In The Church? - Exegetical Commentary Series Copyright 1997, AMG Publishers
Imagine little children being "fenced" from the Lord's Supper, watching their parents eat a full meal and being denied participation in the Passover Seder like full meal. Think of the Philipian jailer who wanted his whole household to participate in his decision to follow the Jesus Paul spoke about (Acts 16:31-34). Think of the Passover being celebrated for a long time with the children being a focus.
Any behavior that would marginalize members of the community or treat them as lesser members of the body must be strictly avoided.
Ciampa and Rosner, page 551, PNTC, The First Letter to the Corinthians,
Roy E. Ciampa and Brian S. Rosner, Copyright 2010, Eerdmans
7.sermon
This video by Jon Zens discusses the typical sermon meeting vs the participation meeting.
youtube.com/JonZensPulpitOrParticipation.
The Bible records a consistent record of considering the visible local church meeting at the "city" (or town) level. The Jerusalem church considered the whole city to be one church, even though the 1000s of Christians probably gathered in many house churches (especially after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD).
D.A. Carson 9.carson
Douglas Moo 10.moo
Brian Rosner 11.rosner
Alexander Strauch: 12.strauch
Robert Banks 13.banks
Watchman Nee 14.nee
John Hammett 15.hammett
The Apostles seem to have consistently assumed a local church to be at the city level and this created a unity that even unbelievers could easily observe. The basis (or "ground") of the church was at the city/town/postal level (not at the individual assembly level). If someone asks how we do this in a large city like London, they are distracting and missing the point. Even people outside the inner part of London say, "lets go into the city". The city of Jerusalem was large enough to see that a rather large city church model can work just fine.
We think considering church at the city/town/postal level is the best way to respect the traditions, practice and ways of the Apostles. We believe if we do that, God will work out details of how it will work.
You can read more about this topic here: citychurh
D.A. Carson on The Early Church and Local Church Assemblies
D.A. Carson on early church and modern church assemblies (mp3)
D.A. Carson explains,
Out of these terminological realities have sprung two or three competing theories. In particular, the Presbyterian view of things holds that all of the elders - the presbyters - of a particular area constitute one body, the body as a whole having some kind of control over all the local churches in that area. But there is another view, one with which I am personally more comfortable. But to explain it, I need to establish a larger framework.
In the New Testament, a final authority rests, in many cases, with the congregation. In 1 Corinthians 5, for example, there is an instance of church discipline that goes to the whole congregation, however much it may be instituted by the elders. Again, in Matthew 18, the Lord Jesus insists that when things come down to the crunch, you tell the conflict to the church. You tell it to the church - for not only is there wisdom in the whole church, but there is a final sanction in the whole church.
Douglas Moo on The City Church
Douglas J. Moo - Page 763, Commentary on Romans - Copyright 1996, Eerdmans
Brian Rosner on The City Church
"He could not simply attend another church in town. 'The church of God in Corinth' was his only option
Ciampa and Rosner, page 218, PNTC, The First Letter to the Corinthians,
Roy E. Ciampa and Brian S. Rosner, Copyright 2010, Eerdmans
Alexander Strauch on The City Church
Strauch, page 227, Biblical Eldership, Alexander Strauch - An Urgent Call To Restore Biblical Church Leadership - Revised and Expanded, Copyright 1995. Lewis and Roth Publishers
Strauch, page 144.
Robert Banks - Local Ground of the Church
Robert Banks discusses the "local ground" of the church with reference to Watchman Nee's well known ideas.
c. Ekklesia is used in writings contemporary with the NT of a whole range of assemblies, not just civic ones. The word has a very broad usage, and can be used of any group of people coming together intentionally for some purpose.
10. I don't know that I can say anything worthwhile in a short space about 'right encouragement' in relation to the long-term functioning of a house church. All I know is that where such groups are in relation to one another and seek each other's welfare in regular and practical ways - for example, through regular pastoral meetings and exercising hospitality to one another, and where a few people model and encourage this in various ways - just as Paul and his colleagues did, mainly through letters from a distance but on occasion through visits - house churches can last, grow, and multiply in ways that benefit their members, other believers in the city, and the wider community in which they live.
I think I am talking here about the kind of thing that happens in a healthy family, that is, helping to create a culture of affirmation and mutual concern within which all members can grow and give themselves to others. Well, more than enough said. Although what we have been discussing is not of interest to most, would it worth informing the moderators about our dialogue and, if you still have a copy of it all, offering it (slightly edited perhaps) to be in a file that people can download who are interested in this sort of thing? What do you think? And, if you're agreeable and have the materials, would you be willing to organize it?
Shalom,
Rob
This is the full discussion between Robert Banks and someone else interested in his NT understanding of the "local ground of the church".
Watchman Nee on Local Churches
Most believers of today are so utterly blind to the scriptural basis of a church that if one asks another, "To what church do you belong?" The first thought of the one questioned is of the specific line of teaching he approves of, or the group of people with whom he has special fellowship, or how his group of Christians is different from others, or perhaps the name that particular group bears, or the form of organization they have adopted-in short, anything but the place in which he lives. Few would answer that question with, "I belong to the church in Ephesus," or "I belong to the church in Shanghai," or "I belong to the church in Los Angeles." It is our being in Christ that separates us from the world, and it is our being in a given locality that separates us from other believers. It is only because we reside in a different place from them that we belong to a different church. The only reason I do not belong to the same church as other believers is that I do not live in the same place as they do. If I wish to be in the same church, then I must change my residence to the same place. If, on the other hand, I wish to be in a different church from others in my locality, then the only solution to my problem is to move to a different locality. Difference of locality is the only justification for division among believers.
John Hammett on The City Church
Hammett, pg 180, Biblical Foundations for Baptist Churches - A Contemporary Ecclesiology, John S. Hammett, Copyright 2005. Kregel
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